You might run into some trouble... Jackd is currently 0.103.0, and ffado needs >= 0.109.12

This is a problem, because the later versions of jackd ran into some reliability problems as they started to add more functions. They are however working on it, and as soon as jackd crossed over into a more reliable state, we should be able to add it, and ffado to 64studio.

In the mean time you are welcome to try it out, but you would have to uninstall jack, and manually install it from source to make things work. I do not have a ffado device, so I cannot do any testing for you at this time... Good luck!

hi Quentin,

thanks for your reply. In general I see you are always busy on these forums, and I appreciate your willingness to help.

there are actually a bunch of dependencies that need satisfying for ffado.

as for jackd, specifically, can you point me toward a source explaining current issues that people are encountering?

also, are there any special flags or options i need to compile jackd with in order to retain the "out of box" functionality of the jackd included with 64studio?

i cannot get my audiofire2 to work without ffado, and without my audiofire2, i cannot connect to my outboard mixer and monitor speakers, which is really important for my digital piano setup. are there any timeframes for jackd / ffado becoming stable enough to warrant inclusion in the 64studio repos?

thanks
ethan

If look at the chatter coming from the jackd-development mailing list, it looks like they are on the verge of getting it right. On the verge is just not good enough for me, as they have been complaining of strange things happening, like jack killing itself and all connected apps. NOT good while recording stuff...

On the other hand, the guys are putting a lot of energy into fixing it, as the activity from that list is very high. We might see a solution soon.

Guarantees? It will probably be included in the 64 Studio 3.0 release scheduled for release a little while after Lenny is released.

well, I couldn't install jack 0.109.2 anyway, because there were too many dependency conflicts with the version in the repos. I ended up trying and and basically broke the install.

I think I will try to set up a rt Ubuntu system for the time being, and eagerly await the arrival of 64studio 3.0 if I can't get Ubuntu optimized. I was definitely in over my head with all the dependencies and compiling from source.

If it wasn't for that issue, I'd have every other reason to stick with 64studio for the time being, and want to come back when it works better with my hardware. :-/

We have a couple of guys testing a Lenny upgrade. You could do the same, and the dependency problems should go away... I have not done this myself yet, as my system is working fine as it is.

Free wrote:
Hi all,

I think I've fixed most of the issues that prevented a clean upgrade to
lenny from 64 Studio 2.1 (rc1/rc2). Here's the procedure with Synaptic:

1) Remove a few exim related packages, which seem to be broken in lenny:

exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light mailx mutt

2) Upgrade to the testing branch of 64 Studio, in particular make
sure that your 64studio* packages get upgraded to version 2.1

3) Add lenny to your APT sources and hit the refresh button

4) Mark everything for upgrade, hit the apply button and follow the
instructions. You will be asked if you want to restart a few
services, always aswer yes. Moreover for three files, namely:

/etc/security/limits.conf
/etc/gdm/gdm.conf
/etc/xdg/menu/gnome-applications.menu

you will be asked wether to keep them or replace them with a
newer version. CHOOSE TO KEEP THEM.

Steps 1) and 2) will not be needed on a fresh 2.1 install (final
version).

Hi ethanay,

I do not have a ffado device, so I can't help you much with setting it up.
I wish I could..

You are well ahead of me with regards compiling software, I am sure you can get this working. I have ubuntustudio installed and it's nice, but I still spend 90% of my
computer time on 64studio. We have a recent Ardour and the system is solid.

To compliment Quentin,s post
Free wrote:

I plan to provide a lenny backport for ardour and a new kernel.

Free......

I have a "test disk" here I've just for formated and I am going to install the latest build, and move it to lenny.

Download the latest build here:
http://cdd.64studio.com/etch/builds/

I can't help you with your ffado device, but if you post your howto with instructions on compiling jackd I will follow it.
Helping me to compile jackd might help you to see what you need to do. It doesn't matter if I break the install it's just a test.
It's going to take me a couple of hours to install and upgrade. I will do the install now, and upgrade in the morning.

Cheers,

dave.

Hi,

Upgrade to lenny complete.
The upgrade using the etch/builds,
was not as easy as the 2.1rc upgraded to 64studio testing, then lenny.
I now have lenny with

$ dpkg -l |grep "jackd"

jackd = 0.109.2-3

Quentin wrote:
ffado needs >= 0.109.12

Sources used for upgrade: note: "remove" non-free sources / 3rd party repositories

Cheers,

dave

this is wonderful. i would love to test a lenny upgrade!! so is this "64studio 3.0 beta"??

i installed Ubuntu and switched to rt kernel, but there is still soooo much O/S related setup to do in order to get decent rt performance, and i'm not sure what it all is! makes me appreciate 64studio all the more... like i said, i just want the system in the end that will sink into the scenery and allow me to focusing on the music

testing lenny will be great -- i can contribute to the 64studio project and hopefully benefit at the same time, and it will soon become stable (if it isn't). is there a procedure for testers? (e.g., another registration, where/how to report bugs, etc)

where i can i find the lenny repositories/and or detailed instructions for the upgrade process?

hey dave,

that is good news -- it is usually best to avoid compiling, imo!

for me, the biggest issue is with satisfying the dependencies -- they aren't always obvious and when errors occur, it is priceless to find the right phrase to copy and paste into google. usually there will be some response with the same type of error message, "that means that you need to satisfy x dependency..."

i keep track of it all in a setup file on the computer that i regularly backup. more complicated scenarios that involve lots of branching dependencies i give their own separate file. that way i can keep track of what i've done.

ethan

Hi ethanay,

We posted at the same time,
Had you read (update to lenny upgrade) before you posted?

The 2.1rc had to be nursed, the etch/builds even more.
Post back your choice of upgrade, and I will post my notes.

This part
Sources used for upgrade: note: "remove" non-free sources / 3rd party repositories
Is very important.

lenny is fine here,

ethanay> so is this "64studio 3.0 beta"??

Yep...

Glad you're onboard.

Cheers,

dave

edit: posted at the same time again :-)

Hey dave,

Would you mind posting your notes here anyway... marking the method. We might include it in an article on the main page after the 2.1 release (if it works well, and if you don't mind)

Cheers

Hi ethan,

Good luck with your upgrade ;-)

Check out mailing lists

http://64studio.com/mailing_lists

Free wrote:
Happy testing!

Cheers,

dave.

No problem at all Quentin,

I followed your post in this thread (Free wrote)
1:
This is with a clean install...2.1rc..upgraded to 64studio testing.
If you upgrade 2.1rc, you will get a clean upgrade, wine will need re-upgrade on completion.
You may not have a clean install? and this can make a big difference.
Up to the release below the etch/builds upgraded the same as the 2.1rc.
I have followed the method half a dozen times now, The first try gave problems,
The rest were fine, You have to follow Free's instruction to the letter.
If you dont remove non-free sources / 3rd party repositories
The upgrade gets more difficult.

2:
This release is the move back to Audacity 1.3.3-1
(64studio_master_i386.iso 28-May-2008 14:46 798M)
I don't know why but the upgrade changed with this etch/build.
(libpam0g) gave errors. It stops synaptic, and you can't continue.
I closed synaptic, opened a terminal and ran
#apt-get -f install
and then restarted synaptic to complete the upgrade. which it did.

Sources used for upgrade:

deb http://apt.64studio.com/64studio/stable/ 64studio main
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main
deb http://apt.64studio.com/64studio/testing/ 64studio main
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main

Once the upgrade is complete.. these had been removed so:

Re-install metacity and gnome-core while still in synaptic

Re-enable etch and lenny "security sources"...

tim wrote: apply upgrade more than once,
so I went to went to a terminal apt-get update/upgrade confirmed all was ok.

# edit /etc/security/limits.conf (add these to end of file).

* - rtprio 99
* - nice -10
* - memlock 4000000

I have left sound config Envy24control and qjackctl at 44100kHz, (I normally use 48000kHz)
after a restart qjackctl starts and runs fine.

$ dpkg -l |grep "jackd"

jackd = 0.109.2-3

note:
Ardour has been removed, I can get this from sid, or wait for Free's lenny backport.
I get errors with qsynth as the upgrade completes but the errors don't stop future updates/upgrades.

Cheers,

dave

I'm using an upgrade to Lenny and I changed some things. Jack is the latest version from Lenny and Ardour is the 64 Studio or Etch version. After the upgrade I disabled the repository for Lenny. Until now I can't really say how stable my box is, as a desktop client it's stable and I run Ardour and Jack, without doing any recordings, but so far it looks good.

I use Synaptic, but apt-get when I have to change something in single-user mode because of problems with X. At the moment there seems to be no difference between the use of Synaptic and apt-get, but I remember that sometimes not the same repositories are enabled, resp. disabled. I have to say, that I'm a noob for Debian.

.....Day 2.....
Using synaptic to upgrade etch/builds to lenny changed with this release
(64studio_master_i386.iso 28-May-2008 14:46 798M) (audacity 1.3.3-1~etch1).
*(libpam0g)* gave errors. I closed synaptic, opened a terminal and ran
#apt-get -f install
and then restarted synaptic to complete the upgrade.

Susan wrote: (There is evidently a bug if you switch between
synaptic and apt)
Susan...

This upgrade I am going to try apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade

Clean install (64studio_master_i386 28-May-2008 14:46).

Restart: [ctrl] + [alt] + [f1] login as root:
set hostname | add lenny main to sources
"removed" non-free sources / 3rd party repositories
Restart: login to Desktop
Logout: [ctrl] + [alt] + [f1] login as root:
# init 3
# /etc/init.d/gdm stop
# apt-get update
# apt-get upgrade
130 upgraded 0 new 0 removed 768 not upgraded
need to get 140MB [y]
# apt-get update
# apt-get dist-upgrade
736 upgraded 211 new 36 removed 2 not upgraded
need to get 634MB [y] takes 20m22s
*errors libwine_1.0-rc1-1_i386.deb
*errors wine-bin_1.0-rc1-1_i386.deb
# apt-get -f install [y]

tim wrote: dist-upgrade more that once!

# apt-get update
# apt-get dist-upgrade
632 upgraded 168 new 17 removed 2 not upgraded
need to get 0MB [y]
*errors qsynth_0.2.5-2.2_i386.deb
# apt-get remove --purge qsynth
# apt-get dist-upgrade
0 upgraded 0 new 0 removed 2 not upgraded
All Done.....

notes: no (libpam0g) errors with apt-get method
wine configures itself ok.

Restart: login to Desktop
Logout: [ctrl] + [alt] + [f1] login as root:
NVIDIA install needs gcc
# apt-get install gcc
# init 3
# /etc/init.d/gdm stop
# sh NVIDIA.run
# edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (change "nv" to "nvidia")
Restart: nvidia ok

Login to Desktop
"Re-enable" non-free sources / 3rd party repositories
# apt-get update
# apt-get upgrade
10 upgraded 0 new 0 removed 2 not upgraded [y]
"Re-enable" security sources etch & lenny
# apt-get update
# apt-get upgrade
All Done.....
# edit /etc/security/limits.conf (add these to end of file).

* - rtprio 99
* - nice -10
* - memlock 4000000

$ dpkg -l | grep "jackd"
jackd = 0.109.2-3 (48000kHz)
wine = 1.0-rc1-1
rosegarden = 1.7.0

Cheers,

dave

.....Day 3.....
(64studio_master_i386.iso 28-May-2008 14:46 798M) (audacity 1.3.3-1~etch1).

Susan wrote: (There is evidently a bug if you switch between
synaptic and apt).....

If you stay with synaptic OR apt the upgrade is fine.
My first impression confirms the apt/synaptic bug.
The Image change was not relevant to the upgrade problems I saw with the first synaptic upgrade.
Mixing synaptic and apt was the problem.

# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/64studio.list
# Stable 64 Studio repository
deb http://apt.64studio.com/64studio/stable/ 64studio main

# Debian
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free

# Debian Sid
# deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free

# Security updates
deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main
deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib

# Bleeding edge 64 Studio repository, only for testers!
deb http://apt.64studio.com/64studio/testing/ 64studio main
deb-src http://apt.64studio.com/64studio/testing/ 64studio main

# Backports repository, needed to get -dev packages
deb http://apt.64studio.com/backports/ etch-backports main

# apt-get install qsynth
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/qsynth_0.2.5-2.2_i386.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite `/usr/share/applications/qsynth.desktop', which is also in package 64studio-themes
# apt-get remove --purge 64studio-themes
The following packages will be REMOVED
64studio* 64studio-themes*
# apt-get install qsynth
Setting up qsynth (0.2.5-2.2) ...
OK!
New Theme
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Overglossed?content=74813

$ cat /boot/grub/menu.lst

title 64studio, kernel 2.6.21-1-multimedia-486
title 64studio, kernel 2.6.24-1-486

jackd = 0.109.2-3 (48000kHz)
wine = 1.0-rc1-1
rosegarden = 1.7.0

Review: upgrade seems fine,
Ardour installed from sid
Qsynth -installed from lenny
These are the only changes I have made.
Very nice.

Cheers,
dave

Hi ethanay,

Would your firewire device work with the freebob driver? I have a PreSonus Firepod and that's what I use and it works fine. Sorry if this is a silly question, I guess freebob doesn't work with everything out there. But if it did, it would probably be easier than doing the upgrade to Lenny.

Cheers!

-Susan

no. thanks for the thought, though.

also, fortunately, the echo audiofire2 is *fully* supported by the newer ffado project.

however, i've just learned that perhaps firewire audio is fundamentally incompatible with my computer as long as it uses a ricoh chipset...hopefully this isn't the case....i am tired of dealing with hardware issues and just want to make music!!

hello,

I have successfully upgraded 64studio 2.1rc2 to lenny. there were a few minor hiccups but nothing that even i couldn't handle :) read about the effort so far here

i've included my detailed process and errors that have occurred along the way. so far, so good though...keeping fingers crossed that this will be useful to others and will lead me to get my firewire device working...

Now, all you have to do is install FFADO from lenny...

Hi,

This is the part I have been checking out.
E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
E: Error occurred while processing sysvinit-utils (NewFileVer1)
E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status
E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.

first of all check for "doubled" entries in these files,
in a terminal type:
$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/64studio.list

Their was a post in the mailing lists explaining these
E: errors. I've been checking the last few months posts
but I am having trouble finding it. I will keep looking.
edit:
as root in a terminal

# apt-get clean
# apt-get autoclean

Also it looks like we might have to change our sources,
for stable installs that is....
http://www.64studio.com/upgrade

I have copied your report into a file here so I can print it out and spend some time reading it.

Cheers,

dave.

lol, this thread is quickly becoming something different than what it was titled :P

you folks are so responsive! this is waay cool on another totally different level...

i have added more info to my original report.

dave: the apt-get update error disappeared as soon as I disabled all my etch repos, so i don't see it as a major issue...?

and to bring the thread back to the original topic....
...Quentin: i did not find FFADO in any repository...?? is it there somewhere??? i searched for "libffa*" and "*ffa" etc and found nothiing...

so did I misinterpret "install ffado from lenny" as meaning that it is included in lenny?

You can see my full report and log files here

Here is the summary for your convenience :)

1) FFADO fails to install properly using default prefix /usr/local
error while loading shared libraries: libffado.so: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory
fix: cp /usr/local/lib/libffado.so /usr/lib/

2) FFADO fails to install using PREFIX=/usr (scons error)
scons: *** DirNodeInfo instance has no attribute 'csig'
(this is a problem with Scons 0.98)

3) tests/test-ffado Discover failure after successful install (using fix
in #1 above)
see ffado_error #3 for full debug output

4) jackd version mismatch after successful compile of jackd with
firewire support
firewire ERR: Incompatible libffado version! (libffado 1.999.36-)
see ffado_error #4 for debug commands as requested in
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=4833D681.8080602...

http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/580#comment-192

Computer and AudioFire2 are now communicating :)

Now I only need to get FFADO and jackd to communicate by compiling the SVN version of jack...

Nice progress. Sorry I cannot be of much more help, as I do not have a FFADO device atm. If you run into problems with jack, just shout. Do a search on Jack and Debian before your attempt. Jack does not like being installed in two places at once... especially on Debian.

Good luck!

AudioFire2 is now working with jackd SVN installed!

However,

1) Need fewer xruns (currently ~1 per 2 minutes)
2) Can't go below 128 buffer...(jackd simply won't start)
3) WineASIO 0.7.4 breaks jackd until reboot (at least with Pianoteq standalone) complaining of a "broken pipeline" (I think...)
I will see if there are two versions installed (should be "which jackd"...?) and also try to downgrade WineASIO to .5 or .6a and report back...

Pieter (FFADO developer) said that there might be a distro issue: installing FFADO with prefix=/usr/lib is corrupted as the distro doesn't automatically detect the correct location of libffado.so, until it is copied from /usr/local/lib to /usr/lib...

But it is amazing to finally have sound out of my studio monitors...!!

There are aparently some issues with Jack itself, but is being sorted at the moment. I believe that by the end of the year jack (or jack2 - formerly jackmp) would be stable enough and working with FFADO to be included into 64 Studio 3.0. Linux audio development is currently in a fast-track freefall with SuSE and Ubuntu also on the bandwaggon. Things are happening very quickly indeed!

Cheers,
Quentin

Ok,

by the end of the year? that is really good news! things are functional enough to get me through to that point. Hopefully I am providing enough annoying error info to developers to help the process :) (ps here's another: no working progress bar on the 64studio 3.0beta splash screen)

So there is only one jackd installed (good...)

Jackd and FFADO are actually working OK together...but it uses a lot of cpu overhead, so maybe there needs to be more optimization. I had it running yesterday with few xruns over the course of several hours while packing for my trip.

However, as soon as I throw WineASIO into the mix everything goes to hell...WineASIO tries unsuccessfully to open connections on multiple channels and they are never released, making FFADO (and jackd w/FFADO) useless until reboot (see below)...how can I contact the WineASIO developer?

To recap: Jackd (FFADO) = ok; WineASIO + Jackd (alsa) = ok; WineASIO + Jackd (FFADO) = unusable until reboot, but Jackd (alsa) still ok.
--------------------------------------------------------------
WineASIO + Jackd (FFADO) strange behavior
---------------------------------------------------
ethan@64studio:~$ wine .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Pianoteq\ 2.2/Pianoteq22.exe
fixme:ole:CoInitializeSecurity ((nil),-1,(nil),(nil),0,3,(nil),0,(nil)) - stub!
err:ole:CoGetClassObject class {4590f811-1d3a-11d0-891f-00aa004b2e24} not registered
err:ole:CoGetClassObject no class object {4590f811-1d3a-11d0-891f-00aa004b2e24} could be created for context 0x1
no message buffer overruns
jackd 0.112.0
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details

JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
loading driver ..
01521143622: (ffado.cpp)[ 99] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 1.999.36- built Jun 10 2008 18:58:03
libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 0.
You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node.
libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 1.
You may need to manually set the channel on the transmitting node.
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
jackd 0.112.0
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
----------------------------------------
selecting the WineASIO driver from within Pianoteq (yes, it starts jackd even though it doesn't use it yet!):
----------------------------------------
JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
loading driver ..
01529199806: (ffado.cpp)[ 99] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 1.999.36- built Jun 10 2008 18:58:03
libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 2.
You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node.
libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 3.
You may need to manually set the channel on the transmitting node.
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
jackd 0.112.0
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details

JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
loading driver ..
01538985441: (ffado.cpp)[ 99] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 1.999.36- built Jun 10 2008 18:58:03
libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 4.
You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node.
libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 5.
You may need to manually set the channel on the transmitting node.
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
jackd 0.112.0
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details

JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
loading driver ..
01540016254: (ffado.cpp)[ 99] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 1.999.36- built Jun 10 2008 18:58:03
libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 6.
You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node.
libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 7.
You may need to manually set the channel on the transmitting node.
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
jackd 0.112.0
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details

JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
loading driver ..
01541014991: (ffado.cpp)[ 99] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 1.999.36- built Jun 10 2008 18:58:03
libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 8.
You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node.
libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 9.
You may need to manually set the channel on the transmitting node.
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
jackd 0.112.0
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details

JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
loading driver ..
01542038206: (ffado.cpp)[ 99] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 1.999.36- built Jun 10 2008 18:58:03
libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 10.
You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node.
libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 11.
You may need to manually set the channel on the transmitting node.
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
jackd 0.112.0
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details

etc etc until something crashes...so far I've gotten up to channel 60/61

Full functionality with ffado, jackd, and wineasio:
http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/580#comment-193

seems like wineasio behaves badly when jackd is using ffado as its backend and isn't started before the Wine app...

however, as long as I follow these guidelines, everything seems peachy keen

You are doing great ethan, I have just re-read the thread.
I don't use ffado, but I've learned a lot here.
It's great you are getting to your goal.
I have just re-arranged my disk here and converted fat32 partitions to ext3.
Not quite the same journey as you have been on. ;-)
I have been following as I re-arranged and reinstalled.

Great news,

Cheers,

dave